Category: Zone BBS Suggestions and Feedback
hello. We may be looking for a new community leader or two in the coming weeks, so if you don't have an application in or wish to freshen yours up, now may be the time.
I can't say anything further at this time.
Thanks.
oh dear, something went wrong, i know it
O well, "you can but try dan" lollol. (see the words of wisdom in my profile. Anyways, I'm thinking of applying if the Zoners'll have me.
I've already applied, but I'd be extremely surprised if I was asked.
Cam for CL ... all I have to say to that is: lmfao!
I'm sure everyone would prefer me as a CL rather than Cam--I don't use profanity or vulgar language on the Zone. I also make an effort to write in proper English.
I submited an aplication and I think everyone has just as likely of a chance as anyone else.
TWKAV I seriously doubt it.
The job of the comunity leader is a very difficult in my oppinion and it needs a lot of risponsibility.
I like this site a lot but didn't apply. I like helping users out if they have got problems with the site or they don't understand something but sometimes the leaders they might have difficult desitions like to decite if an account should be disabled etc. This is the part i don't like much. I think it would be good if also we could have semi comunity leaders or something like that. Or maybe comunity assistance. This people would be able to answer questions when users don't know something or maybe bring up serious issues to the comunity leaders. I mean now we can answer questions but it's different if the new users had a clue of some user they could ask if they were in trouble and no comunity leader was logged in.
Something like comunity messengers lol. I am trying to thing of names.
Also maybe these people could move topicks if they happened to be posted in other categories but they wouldn't be able to delete anything. Maybe they could be responsible for games and news. Only the light advantages of comunity leaders.
So what do you think?
I hope it makes sence.
I like the idea of community assistants/messengers. And the responsibilities of that person sounds good as well. In short, I totally agree with the last post. *smil*
I have turned in a community leader application, but on even numbered days I wonder if I really didn't do a really stupid thing. On odd numbered days, I think I might be able to help out, and hope I get the nod.
So, either way it goes, it will be totally fine with me.
I would like to suggest to the admins that they select two people and put those two to a vote of the membership. Surely they have the software to vote left over from the zone icon thing.
Nikos my friend, I hate to disagree with you, but, I do disagree.
Your assessment of the job of community leader is, I think, right on target. It is a tough job and has to be very time consuming.
However, most of the things you mention as the task of an assistant (I don't know what to call it either) you can already do. You can help people if they have problems; in fact, I'm sure you already do, you just don't speak with the admin's authority.
Though you can't move topics around in the boards you can certainly recommend in that board that it be closed or moved.
As far as pushing items up the chain of command, you (any of us) can bring a problem to any cl now, and in that way push it up the ladder.
By the way, if they do put 2 cl apps to a vote, would you be my campaign manager?
So, I think a new job title would simply be another layer of burocracy.
Just my thoughts.
Bob
Hi Bob. I like your idea of voting between two people to become comunity leaders.
And i don't mind people disagreeing with me as long as they explain well why they do and they still respect the other oppinion which you did both. I wouldn't be happy if you said Nikos, what a stupit idea you just wrote lol.
Good luck with your application.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... wish someone would clue me in ... doug v
Uh oh, now that's scary DougV. <lol>
I'm not sure how whether you use profanity once in awhile or not can qualify you more for a job anywhere than, say, a priest or something. I mean, either you can do the job or not. As far as being able to string a structured sentence together goes, I think most people can do that. I'm not sure what's going on either.
Since a community leader will be interacting with the Zone community as a whole, I feel that the effected members should have a say in the election of a C.L. We've got a pole system in place. I'd like to see it used again.
Perhaps the staff should choose the top three most viable applicants, then submit them to the community for a vote. Give the vote a week or so to stand.
While the vote may indeed be scuable, it shouldn't matter too much, since the election will be between those three people that the staff feel most adequate for the position.
The community leader itself implies a communion to which the individual is the leading or controlling figure. It also suggests a degree of approval by the social group , granting the person in question their status.
Kai
I like the idea of having a poll. I think it's a very good one.
I like the idea as well.
A pole would be a graitte idea.
I have a question for the admin.
I never received any confirmation that my app was received.
Did it go in the bit bucket, or is all okay in zoneland?
Bob
If you reload the application, you should see your previous responses (which you can edit and resubmit). If so, your application has been received.
Good point, thanks a lot.
Bob
I like the idea of voting. One thing that concerns me about CL's is how much knowledge they have about their fellow zoners. There are some real intense gossipers on the zone, and for any of those people to have that position would be inappropriate.
voting would be cool, after all, the site is driven by it's members
I think we may do a poll. There'll be a few spots open, actually, as we freshen things up.
Driven by it's members? That's a joke. Did anybody ever complain about either Scot or Mel? No. Yet look what happened to them.
Dan.
I agree with Bob re: the extra layer of bureaucracy, let's not put it in. Any user can now perform the functions of the proposed "Community Messenger". The FAQ and knowledge base should answer most common questions.
Honestly spending as much time as I do around here, right now I can't think of anyone who stands out that would do at least as adequate a job as those that appear to have lost. Now I can't remember the exact wording of the news file as I just saw it, but are we to gain any idea why these people have been removed as CL? As a member and regularly logged in, I've not seen anything visible to suggest things needed changing, yet the wording of the news file made me think that those being removed had done something wrong.
I'm also wondering about this we shood know so we don't make the mistake.
the way admin's going, he'll probably just randomly select community leaders...*sighs*
Well, apparently my great crime was to question a decision that Admin had taken regarding Mel. For that I too was dismissed as a community leader. I will admit that in the heat of the moment I may have worded things a little strongly never the less, sacking me was surely a bit of an over reaction.
I can only offer the new CL's, who ever they maybe, all the best with the job. I'm in complete agreement with Ather though, don't hold your breath even if you have filled out an application because Jay has suddenly lossed the plot totally it would seem. I can only assume that he's getting rid of any of us that he doesn't like because he has an idea in his own mind of people he'd rather work with so the decisions have probably already been taken.
The whole things a bloody mockery and disgrace.
Dan.
the way admin is going it seems like i want to withdraw it i mean look how dan mel and scott got treeted. I think jay is an idiot. I mean who's next he's just ripping them all away. god.
I am adding to this drama-fest only to say that I agree with Kevin that I can't think of any others who would do as good a job as the current--or former--CL's have done, and it's a shame they're being replaced. And also that it would be nice to get even a little hint of what's going on, since we as a community are, y'know, the reason community leaders are necessary in the first place.
yeah. I'd like to know what the fuck is going on here.
I agree with dan and others. i think J should have a conference and discussed it with the cls or what have.
and "abuse of the site" what does that mean?
yeah that's pretty general
I also agree, what have these people done to have them just zapped like that without worning? When I've seen scot or Mell on here nothing weird has happend and I really don't see why J just zapped them just like that.
John
Come to think of it, J has been a bit pissed lately...
He won't tell me why, though. Whatever it is, it's making him very upset.
I don't think I've ever seen him like this before.
i know 2 people i think, that are going to get chosen.
not saying names though. and may i ask, what's happening with the old CLS? or can't we know yet
woh hang on?
When i submitted my application, i thought this process would be carried out in a democratic and appropriate way. I had no idea that Scot and Mel had both been removed from CL status, and to have Dan removed is just down right ludicrous. Dan is probably the best CL i've ever seen on the Zone, and it's not like Mel and Scot have done anything wrong either.
Does the admin really think that any new CL's he appoints will still have the respect of the members of zonebbs after the way the old ones have been treated? If i was to get the job of CL, i'd feel like i was jumping into someone elses shoes, and taking advantage of an extremely unfair situation. At this rate, i'm thinking of withdrawing my application in protest. I don't want to be resented by my fellow zoners.
If the admin wants us to stop wining, then he should tell us why he's done what he's done, and then maybe everyone could feel there was a justified reason for sacking 3 excellent CL's.
I'm gonna leave it for today, but if this is still rumbling on, i'm withdrawing my application
Well, if you find out what's happened to us old CL's we too would like to know. I can't believe Dan's out now too.
ok, I just have to say something.
Is J crazy? I love doug and Ather, but I never see them on. (well, hardly.)
Why fire the two CL's that actually do things around here?
Well, I was dismissed a few years ago without a word, so don't expect to hear any valid reasons for yours guys.
I can't believe Dan has been dismissed too. And for the admin to do this dismissing without giving any reasons is unfair to say the least. I agree with Chelsea, we are the community the CL's serve, so we, and of course they, should certainly be told why they have been dismissed.
Well, regardless, don't forget the site still belongs to him...He still hosts it on his servers, and outside the few of us that are premium members, ya'll don't pay for anything on here. Bottom line is, whether we think he's right or wrong, he can do what he wants, and it doesn't do anything except stir up drama to whine about it.
yeah, okay, so we have doug, scott, and maddog now? i think that's rite. i've seen doug lots on the zone, he is a very good CL (he's going to last a long time) maddog, i usually see iver invisible or loged in for a short while, and i agree, with out him, i think there will be no sports challenge (him and harp usually got the fixtures) and scott, he's just really cool to get along with
lol guys this is weerd. i've only just herd about this on the grapevine. if you're all this unhappy about it then the answer is simple. boycot the site. how many of you will actually do that though?
Jesse, You're right it's his site, and he can do what he likes, and while you can say without him there wouldn't be the site, it can also be said that without us there would be no site either. I don't think there would be so much of an issue if those sacked had been told why, and those remaining had been kept in the loop. I'm of the belief that not even Chris N knows quite what's going on, yet he's meant to be an admin of the site also.
Andy, you said about removing your application for leader if things weren't sorted out a little. I'd like to say you shouldn't. It's admirable that you don't wish to profit from the loss of others, and I think they themselves would apreciate that, however we are going to have comunity leaders whether them, or new ones. With the standards of people we know are applying or have previously it worries me that we could end up with a bunch that couldn't organise themselves let alone help with the zone. Please think carefully before making a final decision
i agree with kev on this one andy. you'll be good, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. and, a decision on community leaders shouldn't be made based on who the admin gets on with. i'm so mad about dan and mel. Nobody ever saw, did they, what they did behind the scenes? without harp, there'd be no audio profile up for me right at this very moment. that's all i'm saying on the matter.
honestly if you get a poll it would not be a fair way to do this, everyone would pick favorites. JJ and Chris need to do this themselves
Justin, you are just scared having shown yourself to be the furthest thing from any kind of genius, that if there was a vote you'd not register at all. Of course there should be a vote we the membership, are here far more than either admin, and while they know what is required the final decision should be ours, and especially premium who right now are helping fund the site, if it fails because the wrong people are chosen we lose our money to.
I'm honestly qualified but I have so many that dont like me that I'm afraid that folks wouldnt choose me even with all my experence as a helper on many other sites
Hello. I'll write more later, but just a quick note, since I didn't have time to write people personally. While some community leaders have done an admirable job on the site, there were some reasons, that I which not to go into, for the current decisions. With my schoolwork at a much lower level than in the past, I will be taking on many day-to-day tasks in the coming months and hope to get more involved with the site. I apologize for the way that all of this happened, but it will all work out in the end. The people effected have been given lifetime premium memberships. I have not made a decision on the other community leaders at this point, or the direction of this site in general.
lifetime premium memberships? awsome. i am sure there will be smiles all round, now
I applied the first time applications went up and now I've revamped my submition a little. I've been on here for a while but I'd be really lucky if I was picked.
You know, with the onset of the first of April, I'm wondering if this is some kind of elaborate april fools-type thing. Sack the CLS, be vague, stir the pot, and see what kind of shit settles. At least then, it'd make sense. lol
Cheers, from someone who has not, and will not be, applying for community leader,
Jim
JJ, have time to devote to the site? That'll be the day. WTF. He appears, goes into manic "make lots of new things" mode, we see lots of him for about a week, then he disappears for a month or two. For what it's worth I think Dan and Mel were excellent CLs. Scott too, though he wasn't on as much, he's always objective when it's needed. Hrm.
J, while it is fare if you don't feel it right to share with us the members why you feel this appropriate, would it not be fare and respectful to at least give those who it directly affected the curtesy of an explanation? Right now, seeing what has happened to date, why would anyone really want to take on board such a job? and what kind of consolation is life time premium membership? I personally think I'd feel insulted if I gave up my time to help others around here, and you the administrators and then was sacked and given this as a thank you. I also will not be putting myself forward even though others have suggested I should.
The only thing that makes sense is post 55 and the nearness of April 1.
So, applying occum's razor, that's what I'll assume until I get further proof.
Now, on with the drama.
Bob
*laughs*
That's actually been suggested by a couple people, that it's just a big joke (such as it would be if that were the case). If so, it's an incredibly annoying one.
Yes, it's J's site and he can do what he likes with it, but I stand by my statement that we should at least have some sort of idea why we're getting all these changes, which in this case probably aren't going to be positive. Without us, there wouldn't be much point in having the site.
lmfao, if it was one big April Fools joke, it's kinda hilarious...but also down right annoying.
Kev, Kay, in response to your posts about me withdrawing my application to become a CL, it's reassuring that you don't think i'm simply taking advantage of what appears to be a very unfortunate situation. If i've got the support of users, i'll keep my application in and just see what happens.
*sits on a big fence and waits for April 1st*
If this is a huge joke on us all, I'm not sure if I'll be relieved or pissed off.
hum, well if it is a joke, i don't think it's very funny, i think mel, doug, harp and mad dog do a good job.
JJ, you cannot dismiss people without a fair trial by an impartial jury of their peers, if I apply the 6th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (Article the Eighth in the original Bill of Rights (1791)). The original amendment reads as follows:
I don't think they did anything wrong otherwise J-Squared wouldn't have given them lifetime premium membership, naturally if your pissed off that much and demote someone from CL status, how can one be nice enough to give those who are in the wrong such as that of lifetime premium embership. I wouldn't, obviously there's another explanation.
Mel, Harp, and Kc8pril as far as I know haven't done anything wrong while I've been on here. I don't know them as friends or anything in that manner but they seem like good people, I doubt they'd misuse their postitions as CL's.
True but for all we know things could be going on behind closed doors that we don't know about. Or this could be a large joke. We will have to wait and see.
I am not exactly sure what is going on behind closed doors, but the bigger mystery is what thehell is going on inside J's head? I mean, the only reason I was given in passing was that I wasn't on the site often enough, according to j. Well, sorry I also have a life outside of the zone that includes 2 masters' degrees, a girlfriend, and whatever other work I do to try to hull in extra cash. I really hope you plan to spend a lot more time on this site J, because as it stands now, even if you were to tripple the amount of time you spend on here, I still think things will fall short unless you hire 3 more CL's.
Er, the only reason you were given is that you weren't on the site enough?
Well, now we've got J's roommates as CL's, and they're hardly ever on the site at all.
Ehh, whatever.
This is complete bullshit, nuff said.
JJ has lost my respect
I wasn't going to weigh in on this, as the ultimate tecision is actually Jay's. However, if Scott was given the truth in Jay's opinion, wouldn't it make sense to add to the pool of community leaders? As Scott indicated, he has a life outside The Zone, and I suspect the same is true of the other CL's. I'm betting the same issues could arise again with other CL's.
Lou
J's roommates? This is getting weirder and weirder.
I don't know what's going on here, but I do know that Scott, Mel, and Dan are around here often, and, from the work that I saw, they are or were admirable community leaders. I agree with Chelsea on this to large extent.
hmmm, starting to think, maybe there is nothing to this at all? maybe it is an aperil fool, and soon they will get there status back. i can't name anything the cls did wrong
J's roommates? Wtf? Since when!
No J cut Mel, Harp, and Kc8pril loose so he can make his asslicking friends (Roommates) community leader God of Thunder and MGoalball. Remember how he used his J-Squared account and came on here as a regular member well he upgrade that account to make himself a community leader, on top of that he's the Admin. I know this his fucking site all but what he's done is very low.
Mel, Harp, and Kc9pril I'm sorry that J is such a fucking prick and did that to you all, that's just wrong on so many levels.
harsh words, chris
lets remember this is only a web site. I'm sorry for the people that got fucked over but this is not the real world people are bringing the constitution on this and all that lets not get carried away though and after all it is j's site.
chris, can i just point something out? it is kc8pnl
Well you know what I mean
Since last night, Jess.
but april fools are supposed to happen on the 1st of April. if this was an april fool there would simply be a post on the 1st of april saying that all the cl's had been sacked and replaced with new ones. doing this for a week beforehand just wouldn't have the same effect, because the longer it carries on, the more angry people will get, and the less likely people will be to see it as a joke.
so who's looking out for hackers? who's varifying new accounts? or are new members not currently being encouraged to join?
is this all part of j's plan to make the site more appealing on a visual level? - is he going to change it completely?
that would be my conspiracy.
I agree, this has gone on too long for it to be an April fools joke.
Wow! I guess from the sound of things, something pretty serious had gone wrong, but I hope things would get back to normal again. W are all people, after all, but no matter how much we argue to straighten things up or prove who is right or wrong, internet is not the best place for this, OI guess. If a well established plan is made about the job of the new CLs, amount of work, tasks given, etc, I think things would go well in the end. It just doesn't mean that if one does a great job, but stays here for a limited period of time doesn't try hard, because by now, most of us know pretty well how much we are all worth in one way or another. Hope things get sorted out somehow.
I wasn't going to say anything but today i noticed that we have got a new comunity leader. mgolball or something like that. I don't have anything against him because we never spoke but i thought we would vote between two or more people.
So i honestly don't understand what's going on. I just hope it is a joke.
The issue with this though is that while the previous cl’s were essentially elected by j/Chris, they were well-known members and as such already had a lot of respect from the users, and users would have already felt confident in asking questions of them/going to them with concerns.
But if it’s true that j has simply got rid of the old cl’s and replaced them with his mates, then he is essentially bringing in people that are unknown to the users, and whom many will be reluctant to trust.
Dan/mel/scot appear to have been very unfairly treated, and it would be fair to say that this treatment has caused a lot of bad feeling among the users.
Yes this is j’s site, and yes, he can essentially do what he wants, but this is supposed to be a “community”, and sacking cl’s who are well respected isn’t exactly in the community spirit.
I have a feeling there will be some sort of funny resolution to this next week. I can't explain really. but I dunno. it's just one of those odd feelings. I could be totally wrong, but.. who knows.
Nikos the new CL's are MGoalball and God of Thunder, I saw them come on as J did. It was quite shocking to honest with ya.
It's not April yet so quit assuming it's an April Fools Joke cuz it ain't. This is reality with 2 new CL's who are hardly ever even on here to even maintain their new status. I wonder if these new CL's have to capability to help run things around here.
At least Me, Harp, and Kc8pril were more often to help the users if needed. Yet J still hasn't given them any kind of explanation of why he discharged them from their positions as CL's. I think that's low on many levels still. They haven't done anything wrong I just think J is being a fucking prick about it.
I thought the poll was a grand idea but like I said, J choose his asslicking roommates to take charge of these positions.
I don't know how J usually behaves towards stuff on the site but towards members usually he was nice. Any time we suggested something we got an answer either if it was possible or not without telling to anyone that their idea was stupit or anything. He was just giving reasons why it couldn't be done. So now this change is so sudden that's why i think it might be a joke.
If is not a joke i think this wasn't a good idea. I can't see new members coming to the zone because all these topicks can be viewed by anyone without loggin. So if new people read all this they wouldn't want to join for sure.
I think this has gone on long enough
So who says it's necessarily a joke for April Fools? It could be just a joke, period. An annoying one, but it will be amusing if that turns out to be the case and all this fuss has been caused and there's been a board created especially for it and everything.
But why a joke that would be damaging to the site?
For those of you thank think this is a joke or something your mostlikely just wishful thinking.
If I am wrong and this is a joke, then it should be revealed before things get way out of hand.
wow!
number 1, why is it not mentioned in the news file we have 2 new cls?
and number 2, i've never seen those people log in, and even if they do, they are never on for long.
and thirdly? i think there was a post saying that maybe friend's of J will become cls? i think i will start to think, this is really an april fool
what? M Goalball is a cl? *laugh* OH my this gets funnier with every unwraveling... I don't know him per say but I dunno this all seems strangely funny I agree with liam...
yeah, and m goalball is j's roomate
It's just three more shopping days until April 1.
Don't know if I can stand it. <lol>
definition of an april fool's joke, "a joke played on the 1st of April (april fool's day)". definition of april fool, "the but of a joke played on the 1st of april (april fool's day)".
It isn't the 1st of April.
therefore, this is not an april fool's joke.
I won't elaborate much on what I think of this whole thing, only to say that I don't think that the decisions of the site owner, will influence the way in which this site is frequented.
I have to agree that the 3 cl's that were dropped, did good work.
However, to think that this is an April fool's joke, is somewhat silly.
I've already given my position on this matter I won't stop visiting this site just because the leaders that have experience are sacked.
JJ, is this some kind of Section Eight discharge or what?
Gosh if this is true, i want my premium membership refunded right now, so somebody better tell us. or else.
I guess harp is back as a cl cool
But now, ChrisN, the friendly admin is gone.
Welcome too the zone.
Warning, the attrition rate is high, you never know who will get kicked off next. Stay tuned and find out.
OK rather pointless but oh well.
hoy this is so confusing
you're telling me.
No offense but the only people who get picked ar the people who are so popular and have the most friends.
Errr? Look at Mel. I don't mean to put her down at all, but was she *that* popular when she was picked?
Honestly the admins should be ashamed of themselves for the whole joke
I'm looking forward to next year to see if they can top it. Frankly I don't remember if there was an April Fools joke on here last year and the year before. But I bet I'll remember this one.
i will becky, forever. it was well funny
lol, jay should be ashamed why? for letting you make an ass of yourself? heheheh
why we get primium fore a week and fre points every so often
well done peeps is all i can say. hey, i reckon we should lock this topic, stick it in an archive somewhere and laugh at ourselves later. heck most of us fell for this.
hmmmm, like a board somewhere, zone vault. no, if no one posts to this board, it will just go down, and down the pages
But we keep posting to it. Oops! And now I've sent it back to the top. hame on me.
Lock please?
I say keep it up and see how long people will continue to post on this board.
I also fell for the whole joke which I think started on Saturday, 24-Mar-2007.
as far as what i'm concern, we should have at least 10 cls around to taking care of the growing Zone as a community. and as a community, i really can't imagine how far can 5 cls go to taking care for 5000 members. its just a bit insane in my opinion.
regarding all the excuses that Admin gave on secking a cl, its just unfair. for example, from the first day Scott join the team, i guess he already told admin that he won't be that much time on zone with all his studies and stuff going on. we must as well remember that zone is not a place that can find food without searching for it, can't go any welth if just sitting on zone for hours and hours without working on others stuff.
till today i only realized that Rachel not quitting the job herself, simply by someone move her away. which was a paint really, and its a bit disappointed i must admit.
i guess, with good or not that good cls, for the pass present or future, we must give all our respect to them. no matter how long they have been here in a daily bases, or none, they have done a great job for zone. and further more, i think we can't complain about any of them as none of the cl is beeing paied i guess, and i don't see any point to reward them with live time premium membership. over all, what is a premium membership meant to them with what they have been doing on zone for years? or maybe just an exchange for reduce J's guilty perhaps.
and i really wish that this community admin will give us, the community members the reason why he take the step to remove all the cls.
um it was a joke
i was sacked as a cl, for no reason other than some rubbish about gender realignment. I was not given a good explination either, in fact, the meeting which sacked me was held in secret. I had no come pback at all. was I too rradical for the admins? or do they not like independant thinkers. btw, most of my suggestions to tighten up the site have been implemented post my dismissal. one confused former cl here. and if admins want to explain why you sacked me, then pplease do, and put it here so all can see. thanks.
Au, oh, looks like we're far from the end of this saga.
Mmmmhummmm! I thought all this CL stuff was over and done with.